Questions Regarding Gold Tone Banjos
Subject: Banjo Questions
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:12:31 -0600
Hi Folks (Mickey),
Greetings,
Before I begin my barrage of questions I want to thank you for the awesome website all of you have created! It really shows your level of dedication to folk music of all types and the people who dabble in it. I can't begin to tell you how much I've learned in just the few hours I've spent researching it.
That's great to hear! We love to help out...
OK the barrage! When compared to one another, in general, which instrument is "Easier" to learn on the fret board, the guitar or banjo?
The Guitar and Banjo can be equally difficult to learn...especially if you're fingerpicking the guitar...now, if you're flatpicking, it's quite a bit easier to play the guitar...for, 5-string banjo requires the mechanics of learning to fingerpick...as far as the fretboard goes, I would say they're both difficult to master and can be easier
I must have what would be considered larger fingers because I have a hard time piling three fingertips inside one fret on a six string to consistently form a good clean "A" cord! Is this as large a problem on the banjo...that is, are the finger formations on the fret board more simple and is the banjo fret board as "Tight" as it is on a six string (space between the strings and length of each fret)?
On a banjo, the frets are the same relative distance as the guitar...fortunately, on the banjo, it's open-tuned, therefore, an A chord, at the second fret, only requires one finger to barre the chord....not 3 fingers scrunched up on one fret as on guitar...I believe, overall, chords are easier to accomplish on banjo than on guitar....
For playing the banjo Bluegrass style (Which holds the greatest interest with me but certainly not exclusively) the right hand's dexterity is very important. Other than the obvious practice, practice, practice, are there any methods or exercises that will aide the practice in increasing finger dexterity, precision and speed (The practice board thingie looks like a great idea)?
Yes, there are many studies and exercises that can be pursued daily to increase your dexterity...we include many of these for both the picking and fretting hands on our website at:
http://www.folkofthewood.com/page3.htm
I'm about ready crack open my piggy bank and buy a Goldtone BG 250F from you folks as my first banjo. Any thoughts on that choice?
I believe it's one of the best values in the industry...you have many of the standard features you'd expect from a high-end bluegrass banjo such as the Planetary style tuners and the flange....along with a resonator allowing for better projection in loud playing situations...
I've read a bunch of your FAQ's and have come to the same conclusion that you've often shared, it seems to be the best value for the buck. Do you still have that opinion or is another brand/model starting hedge it a little in your mind?
Yes, I still hold to the Gold Tone as one of the most feature-rich banjos for the least money...another great make is the Morgan Monroe...which offers relative quality to the Gold Tone along with an amazing value...
I was a little concerned with one comment you made about it and that was there was reason to be concerned over its quality, or something very close to that effect. Have you seen problems in specific that should be watched out for with this brand?
As is true with any import, there are compromises (otherwise, the American-made banjos couldn't compete)...which reflect the pricing...these compromises are usually aesthetic such as finish flaws or construction anomalies...usually not affecting tone or playability...with our 9-point set-up checklist, you can be assured that you will be receiving a banjo that's well set-up and ready to play...which should be the most important considerations when looking for a student-level banjo...and don't forget, we have a 100% trade-up policy that allows you to grow into more expensive models without a loss of initial investment.
Is there another brand/model in the $600 or less price range that would be a better value for me? As a beginner, are there any add-ons that would be useful to have you installed on it?
I believe you're on the right track with the Gold Tone...there are other comparable quality banjos that fall into this price range, such as the Morgan Monroe...both would serve you welll...
Yes, there is one very useful add-on: the Shubb 5th String Capo...of which will allow you to play in other keys besides open-g...without resorting to closed-position playing...
Finally...what the heck kind of banjo does Jimmy Mills play? I 've heard it's some type of rebuilt pre-war classic!?!?!? Whatever it is, it's the brassiest, boldest banjo I've ever heard...Of course his wicked fast fingers just makes me crack up laughing everytime I hear him start to really turn up the heat.....WOW!!!! How is it possible that human fingers can move that fast?
Yes, I saw Jimmy with Ricky Skaggs at the Ryman in Nashville during the NAMM Show...he was as solid as ever...and really supported the entire Kentucky Thunder and seemed to also drive the band forward...I've got some great photos of this show, along with Jimmy Mills on our website...
As far as the banjo he uses, I have no idea...I concur with you, it's monstrous in tone...Mickey
Thanks for your help Mickey
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:25:01 -0700
Hello-
Would the white laydie be a good for songs that require both picking single notes and strumming?
JD
Greetings JD,
Because it is an open-back, the strumming should be less cacophonous (reverberating)...as compared to a resonator model...I've found that when I strum on my open-back, I back off slightly and let the banjo carry itself....
The White Ladye offers more bottom end with the Fiberskyn head...and seems to be more supportive on the low end as compared to the average banjo...
I play my open-back with a 3-finger approach...and switch from standard fingerstlye to a free form strumming with the back of my fingerpicks...it sounds great to my ears...
Here's a video sampler of the Gold Tone White Ladye:
http://www.folkofthewood.com/page1261.htm
Let me know how else I might assist...Mickey
Subject: step up question
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:10:52 -0500
Hi,
I love your site, it is the most informative site available on the net. I have a few banjo questions. A little background first: I played an "Alex" that I purchased new about 30 years ago. Then I bought an Gold Tone BG - 250. I never realized how the really "low end" banjo was holding me back. My question is: Will a step from the mid range instrument to an upper end be as dramatic as the low to mid range was? Secondly, is there a significant difference in sound and playability between a Gold Tone OB 250+ and a Gibson RB - 250? (is it worth the extra cost and which would you prefer)
Thanks for your time,
Jeff Moore
Greetings Jeff,
Thanks so much for the generous compliments...we try...
I've never heard of an "Alex" banjo...I do know the Gold Tones...of which are the best value for an import banjo being made today!
A BG-250 to the OB-250+ is a big step upwards...however, there are some facets that remain the same...it's not day and night like a step up to a Gibson. The OB-250+ is the highest end import banjo I know of...and, yes, it is a powerful banjo with many pro features...the Gibson is a pro-level banjo through and though...only, you might want to consider wood choices:
The RB-250 comes with Mahogany woods...and has a very warm rich tone...lots of bottom end...
The OB-250+ comes with maple resonator which is the standard for bluegrass settings...
If you want versatility, go with the Mahogany woods...if you're a dedicated bluegrass banjoist, maple is the way to go...
Playability: there isn't that much of a difference between the Gold Tones...on the Gibson, there's a big difference between the BG-250 and the RB-250 in playability...not necessarily one being better than another...more of an individual's taste...the Gibson would have a high resell value...
Which one would I prefer? Well, I'd love to have both for different applications and reasons...as described above...so, I couldn't really make the decision...I'd have to sit down with both, and play them for an hour or so...and, I suspect I could then come up with a decision...
Mickey
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:00:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Nechville and Gold Tone Banjos
Hello Mickey,
Greetings Marty,
Your site continues to be a treasure-trove of banjo information! Thanks!
You're most welcome...
I have a few questions. Most importantly, I noticed a picture of Tom Nechville on your site, and even a link to his own site, yet you don't sell his products. Why is that? I find his instruments to be very intriguing and would love your opinion on them, both acoustic and electric.
My opinion on Nechville banjos: I love them! They're amaziwngly designed and offer some amazing features...no other banjo like them that I know of...I love their design on the way the head is mounted and how the tension is adjusted. Seems quite a bit simpler and more efficient than the traditional banjo design. We hope to include them in our line-up within the year of 2004.
Also, Do you plan on carrying the OB250+ with the radiused fingerboard?
We, of course, carry the OB-250+...however, I'm not too sure about one with a radiused fingerboard. I do love the fact that the neck to body mount is raised...this would be my personal preference. We have an OB-250+ Standard in stock now...
Does the radius make the playing any easier?
Where did you read that there's a radiused fingerboard? You'll have to excuse me, I haven't found a reference to the OB-250+ having a radiused fingerboard. I'd love to learn more about this myself. I have played these in the past and didn't notice that it had a radiused fingerboard...here's a video sampler of one from our website:
http://www.folkofthewood.com/page1701.htm
I love the playability and the lower end tone the OB-250+...
How would you rate the neck and ease of playability of this particular model to other instruments in its price range?
I personally do not feel that there's a better import being made than the OB-250+...however, I believe it's the most expensive I've seen to date too...the neck is as comfortable as you could ask...
In addition, is the "raised neck to body mount" a typical feature on most top-of-the-line banjos like Stelling and Gibson, or is the feature unique to the OB250+?
Nope, it's not typical...I've seen many higher end banjos that I personally cannot play because of the interference of the head being too close to the strings near the fingerboard. I keep my fingerpicks fairly straight, which means they protrude further than most players' picks. This, in turn, can scrape the banjo head fairly easy...this problem is completely rectified on the OB-250+ due to this custom feature. Now, on some other higher end banjos I've played, I still encounter this problem.
Finally, I have been playing banjo for almost three years, currently with a Cripple Creek. I am dying to get something new. Is it true, as I am hoping, that further progress can potentially be made in my abilities with the purchase of a higher quality instrument?
Well, it can be inspiring to practice on a banjo that sounds good...and, playability may also facilitate the process. However, this really cannot be determined for you individually...it's one of those experiments that truly cannot be assessed without experiencing it firsthand.
I hope something here helps...Mickey
I would appreciate hearing your answers whenever you find the time,
Marty
Subject: Banjos
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:32:32 -0700
Greetings!
First, let me commend you on having one of the most informative and useful websites on the net for acoustic instruments!
Greetings,
Thanks so much for your generous compliment...it inspires us to work even harder at what we do...
I am interested in the CC-IT banjo. I am an Irish Bouzouki player, and I'm thinking of picking up a banjo when I am playing melody and need to be louder in a session. I have read good things about the Gold Tone banjos, and I understand that the CC-IT is a good quality entry level banjo.
Yes, this is true...the Gold Tone is as good as you can ask at this level...and a tremendous price point too.
My first question shows my naivete about the banjo, but what is the difference in sound between open back and resonator models? The resonator is louder? more projected? Is one or the other the "preferred" way to play Irish traditional music?
The open-back would have a less focused sound...almost softer in some ways than a resonator model. Resonator models have more projection and work well in a band setting. I'm not too sure which would be preferred in an Irish setting. I suspect it depends on how many instruments you're competing with...if you're only playing with one other guitar...or within a more intimate setting of 3 or less instruments, the open-back would work fine.
The second question is regarding the CC-IT specifically. Is it true that it can be played either as open back or resonated?
Sure, the resonator can be removed...however, I suspect once you start playing it with a resonator, you may never need to remove it...it's not the same as 5-string where frailing banjo would dictate the need for an open-back while 3-finger bluegrass require a resonator. You should find that the resonator will serve your needs well as a tenor banjo with projection.
Hope this is the info you were looking for, Mickey
Thanks a lot!
Merry Christmas!
Pete Strickler
Subject: Gold Tone A/T Follow-up
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:31:15 -0500
Mickey...I went back to Gold Tone's website and listened to the A/T and the standard OB-250 again and I did detect more of a difference in tone than before. Had to listen to them back-to-back though. So I stand corrected on that one. I have heard that to achieve the "Stanleytone" it could require a heavier bridge and strings. Also picking closer to the bridge as Ralph does probably would make a difference. Slightly less head tension is also another trick that has been tried. I really wanted your opinion on any set-up techniques that you think might work to brighten and raise the tone on this banjo. Once again,thank you for your time and keep up the good work. Your site is the best. I hope to be purchasing an A/T from you in the near future.
Sincerely,
Danny McKnight
Greetings Danny,
Coincidentally, I just finished our video samplers of the OB-250 Archtop...I hope to have these posted by this weekend...
I attempted to download the soundbytes from the Gold Tone site, however, I had problems with the files opening or streaming. They end up as .ram files. I'd love to hear these! I had talked with Wayne at the NAMM show this last summer; he had mentioned that he would be adding soundbytes to his site.
In light of my doing these video samplers, I have to say, this OB-250AT is far more crisp and bright than the standard OB-250. The highs are truly crystal clear. I'm sufficiently impressed with the new Archtop offered by Gold Tone for it truly does exceed my expectations.
Talk to ya soon, Mickey
And, thanks for the kind words regarding our website...
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:54:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Fwd: One last question
Let me ask you this, then...
Would the BG-250 sound folky enough as an open back to actually PASS for the sound of a true open back? And, how bluegrassy might a white ladye sound with a resonator? At this point I'm choosing between the BG-250 (without flange) and the WL-250 with resonator. Like I said, I'm looking for a banjo that's versatile enough to sound good for both bluegrass AND clawhammer.
Thanks. This is the last time I'll bother you. I promise!
Andrew
Greetings Andrew,
The BG-250 as an open-back, and because it has a standard tone ring, would be somewhat of a compromise...it's not going to sound as good as the White Ladye as an open-back...as a resonator banjo, it works fine...
And, the White Ladye makes a far better open-back than it does a resonator banjo...the White Ladye tone ring was designed for open-back playing...not resonator bluegrass playing...once you do add the resonator, you'll find that frailing will have lots of unwanted reverberation...
Both would be a compromise for both styles: frailing and bluegrass...I personally love the White Ladye...and, would buy a White Ladye first...and a BG-250 second...I play a variety of styles and have found the open-back to be very responsive for all styles...it would still make a great banjo to learn rolls and bluegrass on...only, you'll eventually want to buy a dedicated bluegrass banjo when you're ready to join a bluegrass band...and, hopefully, be able to keep your White Ladye as a serious open-back banjo...
Hope this helps...Mickey
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:10:27 -0400
Hi Mickey,
Thanks for your answers to my questions. As I pin things down, I have one differentiating question. Why did you recommend the Gold Tone CC-100R or CC-100OB over their MC-150R or MC-150OB models? (As a factor, both are within my price range, so I'm looking for performance issues and I realize weight may be one of the issues.)
Also, what technique(s)/guidance can you recommend for memorizing songs (hardest part for me)?
Thanks again for your help. As soon as I hear from you, I'll be ready to order.
Steve
Greetings Steve,
The CC-100R would be the best value for the dollar...however, if you're looking for a gloss finish, as opposed to a matte finish, you might prefer one of the MC-150 models...they both perform well and both have relative weight factors...
For memorizing banjo songs, I'd recommend that you memorize the piece phrase by phrase. In other words, learn the first few measures of the piece, practice them over and over until you feel comfortable, and in the process, you'll also be memorizing the phrases.
Additionally, always consider the structure of the song first...in other words, memorize the chord progression first...try to learn more about what elements make up the song. This is almost like viewing an outline of a book before reading it. With this process, you'll become more familiar with the skeletal frame of a piece, and you will be more capable of improvising on it at a later date.
One way to look at banjo pieces is to view them as a long phrase made up of short phrases...each one of these phrases can be plugged into other pieces and memorized as licks for your future repertoire...most all of these phrases usually coincide with a particular chord making it even easier to plug them into other songs at a future date.
Hope the above helps...Mickey
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:26:34 EDT
How does the Gold Tone OB250 Open Back stack up tone wise with the old Vega Seeger since it doesn't have the tub-a-phone ring as best as I can tell from the pics at your website?
Please quote me a price for one with hard case, with HO spikes for 5th string capo at 7, 8, 9, 10. Also with Schaller D Tuners 2&3 string AND new tuning machines that are 90 degree angle, stainless, gear driven.
Thanks, Bob Christy VA
Greetings Bob,
The Gold Tone OB-250 is a great value and offers a decent sound due to the bell brass tone ring...and, the 250 offers many features only found on more expensive instruments...this is due to the fact that it's an import...however, the Tub-a-Phone tone ring has a tremendous bass and punch and would be an entirely different instrument...we would be comparing two different worlds...I own a Wildwood with a Tub-a-Phone tone ring which I love dearly. One of the best open-backs I could ever ask for...now, the new Vegas, which also have the Tub-a-Phone tone rings, are no less powerful than my Wildwood in tone.
The Open-Back Gold Tone OB-250, with the Seeger long neck, has a White Ladye body and a White Ladye tone ring. The White Ladye tone ring sounds crisper and seems to offer more versatility...another great banjo in itself (especially for the money).
If you're looking for guitar tuning machines, we can install them for the 1st and 4th...however, I wouldn't recommend them...
Let us know if you're looking for price quotes on another banjo in particular.
Mickey
Subject: Banjos
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:03:47 -0400
Hi Mickey;
I've been thinking about getting back into playing the banjo
since last playing about 20 years ago.
Your store sells a nice variety, and the banjos by Gold Tone
appear to be a good value. The OB250 looked like a decent
way to go.
Have you ever tried one of those Huber tone rings in a OB 250?
Compared it to the JLS tone ring in the OB250+?
My old banjo, a Gold Star, I had sold to my friend, Ross Nickerson
in the late 80's. He put one of those Huber tone rings in it and it
sounds quite good.
On the other hand, I also like the Deerings. The Maple Blossom looks and sounds quite nice.
Any recommendations?
Ed
Greetings Ed...
You're on the right track with the Gold Tone OB-250...it's most definitely one of the best values I've seen today. If you're looking for an all maple resonator banjo, with gloss finish, offering a bell-brass tone ring, there's no other I've seen at the OB-250 price point. The Huber tone rings have been standard in the current high-end Gibson line...and, yes, they sound phenomenal...however, the JLS tone ring also sounds great. I haven't personally tried a Huber in an OB-250...keep in mind though, changing out a tone ring can be difficult at best...it's very critical that it seats properly otherwise you may find it to lack the tone you expected. My suggestion would be to find the banjo that fits your needs in the first place without the requirement of changing out tone rings...Mickey
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:47:49 -0700
Subject: Best Value in a Start-Up Banjo
Thanks Mickey,
HELP!!! I'm kind of confused. There is a lot of information. I saw that the OB-250+ with hardshell case was a big price difference than just the OB-250. Why? I do want to get the most bang for my buck so I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction. Do I need a pickup on a banjo? Can I get a good sound from one? What is a planetary tuner? What is the cut-a-way option? No hurry, whenever you get time. Thanks Mickey.
Greg
The OB-250+ has some major upgrades...the upgraded JLS tonering for one...at this price level, you might also consider a Deering Sierra which is a true workhorse of a 5-string banjo....
I wouldn't personally install a pick-up on a banjo...if I was to be competing against drums and bass, I'd probably go for a Deering Crossfire. Otherwise, I'd use a microphone. We do have McIntyre banjo pick-ups that will work in any acoustic banjo...check out the Crossfire video samplers...that banjo sounds like a piano plugged in...
A Planetary tuner is the standard reverse tuning machine...some banjos at a low price point have guitar tuning machines as opposed to "Planetary" style...well, Planetary really is a brand of key but has become more and more a generic term referencing reverse banjo keys as opposed to guitar tuning machines.
The cut-a-way option you're asking about is really used on open-back banjos...where the frailing or clawhammer styles prevail...the lower portion of the fingerboard is cut out to allow more strum room for frailers who want to change their tonal range from playing by the bridge to playing at the lower fingerboard...
I think the best all-around value is the OB-250 for a resonator banjo offering maple woods and a solid tone ring...some of my favorite banjos being made today are the Stellings and the Deerings such as the Calico...Gibson is also making a superb banjo today...I love their Flint Hill Special!
Wishing you the best...Mickey
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:35:09 -0600
To: "Pat McCullough"
Subject: Gold Tone Questions
HI Mickey,
Great site! I'm what you might call a jack-banjo player. I used to play a great deal, but the last 15 years I haven't played a lick. I used to play an early 80's Ibanez 5 string.
Well, I gave it away to a friend in need a few years ago and didn't think much of it, but I had the chance to play last May at my wedding reception and now I've got the bug.
I'm interested in the Gold Tone series to get started. 2 questions.
First question is about the Gold Tone feature, the "raised neck to body mount". Will this feel like a different instrument altogether?
Second question: Compare the OB250 to the OB250 PLUS model. Is the difference in price worth it?
Thanks for your time!
-Patrick
Greetings Patrick...
Glad to assist:
First question is about the Gold Tone feature, the "raised neck to body mount". Will this feel like a different instrument altogether?
This would be on the OB-250+...this is a great feature to ensure that you can cover the full gamut of picking (from the bridge to where the neck meets the body), without your picks hitting the head of the banjo. It does not change the feel of a banjo whatsoever. It essentially only raises the strings where the neck meets the body for added picking clearance.
Second question: Compare the OB250 to the OB250 PLUS model. Is the difference in price worth it?
Most definitely! The OB-250+ has many pro features only found on banjos at twice the price offered by Gold Tone. Of course, the same can be said of the OB-250. Both banjos are superb and I personally wouldn't hesitate playing either one professionally. I just finished up some video samplers of the 250+ and was real impressed with its tone and playability. I especially love the compensated bridge which further enhances this banjo's clear tuning all the way up the neck.
Hope this helps...
Mickey
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:54:01 -0600
From: Robeert Bobo
Subject: Re: banjo purchase
Greetings,
Yes, I've been bitten too. After playing an old Kay
for almost a year the upgrade bug has bitten hard.
In reading your web site I see you have high praise
for the Goldtone OB 250. I have been impressed with
the write-ups but haven't actually handled one.
Questions:
1. Do you think the OB 250+ is worth the several
hundred $$ above the cost of the OB 250? The 250+ has
a 3ply rim vs a multiply rim on the 250, and a JLS
bronze tonering vs a bell-brass. Your take on these
upgrades?
Most definitely! This banjo has some incomparable upgrade features that well exceed it's current retail price. The JLS tone ring (normally found in 2-3k banjos, the 3-ply maple rim, and the compensated bridge make for a powerful banjo pro through and through)...I, myself, am in the process of ordering the compensated bridge for both of my current banjos.
2. Goldtone now offers the OB 250 as a kit. Do you
think this is smart way to go. Is setup so critical
that an amatuer would find the process exasperating
and end up with a banjo that performs below its
potential?
I wouldn't recommend a kit unless you're already experienced in putting a banjos together. A simple thing like seating the tone ring on the rim, can alter the tone of the banjo drastically. Outside of this, the price is right on a kit...that's the advantage. I still believe, leave the assembly, of an instrument you plan on taking seriously for years to come, to the experts.
3. Will Goldtone and Wildwood hold their value as well
as say, a Deering or Stelling?
Gold Tone holds a decent value, considering they are at the very least assembled in the US (some models are assembled in Korea) by a knowledgeable crew...they wouldn't hold the same value as a Wildwood, Deering or Stelling...my experience is that the Stelling would hold the highest resell value, simply because they are difficult to come by! Deering and Wildwood have a solid resell value usually selling at 90% of their new discount price. Mickey
Date: 13 Jul 2001 09:52:49 -0700
From: Sidney Hawkins
Subject: <Gold Tone & Deering Comparison>
Hi Mickey:
I appreciate very much your response. I do have a couple of other questions.
Bryan said that you were evaluating the Gold Tone
OB 250+ at this time. Does the OB 250+ justify in
performance the significant price difference over
the OB 250? Also, you included the OB 250LN in your
response to me. I liked the sound of it on the video clips very much. What are the advantages/disadvantages
of the 250LN Openback compared to the other 250's?
I am ready to make a purchase with the input of these
answers. Thanks very much for your help!
Best Wishes,
Sid Hawkins
Greetings Sid,
Just to let you know, I attempted to call yesterday and today...sorry I couldn't get through.
I have the OB-250+ today and have been experimenting with its set-up and playability. I was prepared to play it over the phone for you. Your choice between the OB-250+ and the OB-250 would lie in whether you'd want the following pro upgrades:
Upgraded features include the JLS tone ring, 3-ply maple rim, coordinator rod adjuster, Brian Cooper Intonated Custom Bridge, a raised neck to body mount, and a deluxe case.
These are most definitely substantial upgrades from the OB-250 and well worth the money. I especially like the compensated bridge...it rings true all the way up the neck.
The OB-250LN would be considered more of a folk-artist banjo. This is a banjo that Pete Seeger fans would want to play...or, if you have a lower voice, and you want to use your banjo to accompany your voice, the Long Neck serves well. Keep in mind, for bluegrass style playing, you'll most definitely want the traditional 5-string neck.
Hope this helps...Mickey
From: "Scott & Li Lyon"
Subject: Questons re Gold Tones
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 14:07:56 -0700
Hi --
I'm about to purchase a banjo from your shop (the Trade-Up policy seems to
good to pass up!) but I'm stuck between two instruments -- both Gold
Tones -- and I'm looking for advice or info to point me to one or the other.
The instruments are the Bluegrass Special(BG 250) and the Maple
Classic(MC-150R). I've read and been told about the differences -- namely
the planetary pegs and tone rings. The planetary pegs, I understand, are an
option for the MC-150R, so that, aside from a bit of added cost, seems to be
a 'non-issue.'
So -- my question boils down to; what are the differences between the brass
tone ring on the BG 250 and the steel alloy tone ring on the MC-150R? I am
new to banjo picking -- are the differences crucial at this stage? Will
they become more noticeable to me as I progress?
Lastly, the color and finish on the MC-150 is just beautiful and, in all
honesty, is the one thing that is keeping from jumping into the BG-250 -- is
the sound of the BG-250 far enough superior to the MC-150 to convince me to
put my aesthetic preferences aside?
Thanks for your time and I look forward to your reply.
Scott
'Never squat with your spurs on.'
Greetings Scott,
Sorry we couldn't get back with you earlier...
The Brass Tone Ring is most definitely superior to the steel alloy...probably not crucial at the learning stage...but there's a noticeable tone difference. The BG-250F has a flange which makes it more of a bluegrass banjo...the BG-250 is without a flange which allows it to be converted to an open-back at the player's discretion. The 250 can still be played as a bluegrass banjo...it just doesn't have the same look as the 250F.
The 250 definitely possesses more traditional features and tonality than the MC-150...the bell brass tone ring and the planetay style pegs give this banjo pro features at a great value. In fact, I do not know of a better value in the industry.
Mickey
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:25:13 -0600
Hey Folk of the Woods Folk's:
I can no more afford the OB-250 than I can a Stelling Chief, but my income tax check is due any way and I think I deserve something better than what I got, to get me to the next level of pickin. I have looked far and wide for something with in my budget and have not found nothin that has got my blood up like the GT OB-250. Now I've not yet reached that level of obsessive/compulsive spontaneity that will allow me to 'have the check in the mail' tonight. BUT if the answers to the following questions sound as good as that Banjo looks like it sounds then I'd say you've made a sale!!
Think that's it for now! hope to hear from you soon.
Mountain
Greetings Mountain, (one of my favorite bands is named Mountain w/Felix Pappalardi and Leslie West)...
Here goes:
1. Are these banjos considered 'American Made' ?
Yes...they are assembled in Florida...although, they do use some foreign parts.
2. How long have they been in production?
Gold Tone banjos was founded by Wayne & Robyn Rogers in 1993. I'm not sure about the OB-250 model's age...
3. Warranty is lifetime against manufacturers defects?
Most definitely...Folk of the Wood also endorses a lifetime warranty with every instrument shipped. Mickey
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:11:26 -0600
THANKS FOR THE INFO. I AM INTERESTED IN THE GOLD TONE BG-250F: HOW DOES THE BG-250
COMPARE IN SOUND WITH THE ALVREZ SILVER BELLE BANJO? I LOVE THE SOUND OF THE
ALVAREZ SILVER BELLE AND IT LISTS FOR $899 AND CAN BE PURCHASED FOR ABOUT
$630, SO WE ARE COMPARING SIMILAR PRICED BANJO'S. HOW IS THE PLAYABLILITY OF
THE BG-250F, OR SHOULD I BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER BANJO THAT YOU HAVE IN STOCK? I WANT ONE THAT HAS A REALLY GOOD SOUND. THE HEAVIER THE BANJO, THE BETTER
THE SOUND APPEARS TO BE. THANKS
LARRY BARTEL
Greetings Larry,
The BG-250 would have less of a hollow sound than the Alvarez, as far as I can remember. We've gotten quite a few of these (Silver Belles) in on trade...I believe the older vintage Alvarez banjos were tremendous.
The playability of the BG-250F is superb...I don't believe there's a better value in the industry for an American-made banjo with a lifetime warranty...therefore, I do not believe, within this price range, there's another banjo we carry that I'd recommend looking at...remember, you have our 100% trade-up policy, which includes your trade-in value, towards the purchase of another banjo whenever you feel ready. At the point in time, I would recommend a Wildwood Artist or a Deering Sierra...
The BG-250F does have a brass tone ring which makes it substantially heavier than a banjo without...
Hope this helps...
Mickey
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:55:46 -0600
I BOUGHT THE EPIPHONE GUITAR A YEAR AGO DISCOUNTED AT $399.00. THE BANJO
THAT I AM LOOKING AT IS THE DEERING GOODTIME II WITH THE ACCESSORY PKG AND
GIG BAG, OR THE GOLD TONE BG-250 OR 250F. I AM NOT QUITE SURE OF THE
DIFFERENCE IN THE 250 AND THE 250F? PLEASE ADVISE. I NEED AN ENTRY LEVEL
BANJO TO START. OUR SPECS DOES NOT STATE THE NECK WIDTH OF THE DEERING
GOODTIME II.
THANKS
LARRY BARTEL
Greetings again Larry...
Glad to further assist...
On your Epiphone, we can give you a trade-in credit of 250.00 towards the purchase of any instrument of your choice.
Regarding the BG-250/250F differences: the 250F includes a flange, metal plate between resonator and rim, which enhances the appearance of the banjo and makes it a permanent resonator-style banjo. The BG-250 does not have a flange which allows you to switch back and forth from a resonator banjo to an open-back (not necessary unless you're interested in learning both bluegrass and clawhammer/frailing banjo styles).
The neck width of the Goodtime II is the exact same as that of the Goodtime I: 1 3/16" at the nut. Mickey
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:34:36 -0500
Hello,
Great site!!! Love your trade in and trade up offer. Your prices are very good. You fulfill one of my rules of business, which is " make it
easy for me to spend my money." I'm thinking about buying a new banjo. I like clawhammer and bluegrass, right now I'm taking bluegrass lesson. I like the Gold Tone BG 250 but am wondering if being played without the resonator in the clawhammer style will give me the same quality and tone as a open back without the convertible feature? I presently have a Aria which I am thinking about trading in to you. I don't know what model it is, no info on it. It is a 5 string, resonator, dark finish, no design on the back, in good shape. If I do trade in I will send you pictures of it for a appraisal.
Talk later, Ed Dyer
Greetings Ed,
Thanks for the kind words regarding our website...
The BG-250 does make for a versatile banjo offering both an openback and resonator model in one. It does have a tone ring that is not commonly used in open-backs, therefore, it works for clawhammer but probably not as well as a White Ladye tone ring or a Tubaphone tone ring found in high-end open-backs such as Wildwood or even Gold Tone's White Ladye.
Now for solid bluegrass, the BG-250 is most definitely the best value in the industry...offering Planetary (reverse) keys and a real tone ring...
Thanks for your interest in working a trade...we do our best to give current market value on all trade-ins minus re-sell costs of 25.00 or so...Mickey
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:56:15 -0600
Me again Mickey,
It is hard to do business over the internet since you cant see, feel, and
hear these instruments so your patience and knowledge is most appreciated.
Would you say that there is a sinificant difference between the BG and OM
models of the Gold Tone line? Is there a significant difference detween the
OB250 and the OB250G other then ornimentation? And if you would indulge me
in one more question, If you were seeking a professional quality instrument,
one that would last a long time...I am more interested in quality and tone
then ornamentation....would you say the OB series of Gold Tones or the
Deering Sierra would be a better investment. Or if there are other
recomendations in this price range.
I must tell you that I am most impressed with your website, pricing, company
guarantee, upgrade policy and the prompt personal attention that I have
received. THANK YOU.
Ray
Hello Ray,
In answer to your further questions:
Would you say that there is a sinificant difference between the BG and OB
models of the Gold Tone line?
Most definitely...the OB series has the edge without a doubt.
Is there a significant difference detween the
OB250 and the OB250G other then ornamentation?
There is no significant difference between the 250 and 250G other than the ornamentation (gold plating as opposed to nickel plating to be specific).
If you were seeking a professional quality instrument,
one that would last a long time...I am more interested in quality and tone
then ornamentation....would you say the OB series of Gold Tones or the
Deering Sierra would be a better investment.
This one is really subjective: you have in one corner the OB-250 which has a maple resonator and maple neck...and, you have the Sierra with a mahogany resonator and mahogany neck...both have rock solid brass tone rings...it would really be a matter of taste between these two banjos...no doubt, there's a level of incomparable craftsmanship that comes with every Sierra...at the same time, the OB-250 is mind boggling for the price!
Let me know if you have any further questions or if I can assist you with anything else...
Mickey Cochran
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:42:26 -0600
Thank you so much for your input. I am a little confused on the information
relating to the Gold Tone. Doesn't "OB" in the model number stand for "Open
Back"? Also, my teacher had told me about a banjo company called Goldstar
that was one of the best banjo's he ever played, and very inexpensive,
apparantly now out of business. Is there any relation between the two
companys? Could you also tell me where the Gold Tone is manufactured. Would
you say that the Gold Tone is better then the Deering.
Thanks again,
Ray
Hi Ray,
The "OB" in the OB-250 and OB-250G stand for "Orange Blossom"...these are both high-end resonator models. You might want to check out our video samplers on our website.
Goldtone is similar to Goldstar in price relation to features. There isn't any other relationship that I know of...Gold Tones are made in the US within the state of Florida. Hence, the name "Orange Blossom".
Nope, I can't say that the Goldtone is better than Deering...apples to oranges really...the Goldtone is just one of the best values in the industry...offering traditional banjo features such as planetary pegs and brass tonerings at an amazing price...for instance, the Boston is a superbly crafted banjo, but only offers a Steel Rim that serves as a tone ring and guitar tuning machines (unless buying the customized version) in place of the Planetary pegs...The OB-250 is a powerful, traditional bluegrass banjo for a great price. If you can afford it, the Deering Sierra is one of the most powerful workhorse, bluegrass banjos available today...without compromise to traditional bluegrass banjo features.
Let me know if you have any further questions or if I can assist you with anything else...
Mickey Cochran
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:25:03 -0600
Mickey: I've talked to my financial advisor (wife), and she's approved the purchase of a banjo upgrade, specifically to the OB 250G (lefty). A few more questions before proceeding, however, as this is a fairly significant purchase. I'm currently planning to go with, as just mentioned, the OB 250G, but a couple of issues have come up regarding a wiser use of my money. Firstly, what do you tell people who ask about the installation of D-tuners? My other thought now is to go with the regular OB 250 and add a couple of features. Namely, the D-tuners (although I've heard that they don't really factor that greatly into playing. Do they or can they cause inconveniences?). What's the cost of having these installed? The second feature I'm interested in is adding some capo spikes at places where they are normally placed on the fretboard. What would you suggest here? 6th, 7th, & 8th? How much would it cost to get these installed on the OB 250G, and how are they installed (i.e. what do they look like, do they interefer with playing, and are they the preferred way of capoing the 5th string?), or are they already installed? I don't know why, but my inclination is to still go with the OB 250G, but if you'd recommend D-turners, I'd probably go with the regular version and include these. Either way, depending on cost, I think I'll go with the capo spikes.
Thanks for you help, Mickey. After I hear back from you on the above matters, I'll make a decision and place my order. Because of your helpful nature and honesty, you can expect a lot of banjo business from me and from anyone who asks for a recommendation in the future. Thanks again for all your help. Steve Hoiberg
Hello Steve,
In answer to your further questions:
1. I'm currently planning to go with, as just mentioned, the OB 250G, but a couple of issues have come up regarding a wiser use of my money. Firstly, what do you tell people who ask about the installation of D-tuners?
We can have the D-Tuners installed per any customers' requests...we will do these at a cost of 70.00. This includes installation...and of course, the gold-plated tuners if you opt for the OB-250G. Price is 50.00 for for regular nickel plated D-tuners...I personally use them and found them to be useful for all types of tunes. Besides, many Sruggs' tunes, such as Randy Lynn Rag, cannot be played effectively without tuners. The D-Tuners will not cause any inconvenience other than having to tighten the external screws at their proper positions...every time you tune.
2. The second feature I'm interested in is adding some capo spikes at places where they are normally placed on the fretboard. What would you suggest here? 6th, 7th, & 8th? How much would it cost to get these installed on the OB 250G, and how are they installed (i.e. what do they look like, do they interefer with playing, and are they the preferred way of capoing the 5th string?)
The HO RR spikes can be added to the 7, 8, 9 and 10th frets covering most any key you'll ever need for capoing. They can intefere with playing if not properly installed. My personal preference is the Shubb sliding 5th string capo which I can install for you...your cost 50.00 for both the Shubb and installation. I highly recommend the Shubb since it has a tension screw and usually will not require re-tuning after capoing. The HO spikes usually make the string go sharp requiring a re-tuning everytime you capo up. We would install the spikes for you free of charge. I truly appreciate your promotional efforts and am completely at your
disposal if you have further questions.
Let me know if I can assist you with anything else...
Mickey Cochran
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:46:53 -0600
Thank you for all your assistance so far with my banjo selection. It seems that the Gold Tone banjos offer an attractive price point. Could you expound on the benefits of the OB compared to the BG250F? Both look appealing and I'm wondering what accounts for the price difference. I am seeking a banjo that will be a "keeper" for a long time (although I'm aware of your "trade up" policy!). I'm mostly concerned about playability, knowing the frustrations that can come with less expensive instruments.
thanks so much --
Beth
Hello again Beth,
The differences between the OB-250 and the BG-250F:
The OB-250 has an ebony fingerboard which offers far more durability than the rosewood fingerboard on the BG-250F. One piece Zinc Flange of the OB-250 is highly desired by pro banjo players as compared to the plate flange offered on the BG-250F. The OB-250 has the Hearts and Flowers inlay whereas the BG-250F has the Snowflake inlay. The OB-250 has nickel plated hardware; the BG-250F has chrome (a little less durable but still nice).
They both offer tremendous playability and easy action...Mickey
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Mickey Cochran
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:52:08 -0600
Mickey-thanks for the reply! do you carry the Goldtone bg250, its a smaller version of the bg250f.if you do shoot me rock bottom price with hard shell case.I really like the way it sounds. I am looking at it from Janet Davis music center for 525 total. do you guys tune it and set it up for me. the banjo I could trade is a Bently in pretty good shapelmk, thanks,Morris
Hello,
Janet Davis is great to work with...I've heard many good things about their services. I'm not really trying to compete with her whatsoever. I feel that your true criteria on deciding whom to purchase from would be policies, service, reputation (in which she also lives up to).
GOLDTONE BANJO PRICING
BG-250: Retails 699.00 Your Price: 440.00
Hardshell Cases Normally go for 69.95-
Shipping is 20.00 anywhere within the US.
Remember, you also have our full trade-up value for as long as you own the instrument.
We set up all banjos before they leave here and make sure that action (for ease of playability) and intonation is perfect.
Mickey
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:25:15 -0600
Hello,
I am planning to purchace an intermediate level banjo. I play guitar and piano but I have always wanted to learn banjo. I even turned one of my guitars into a makeshift banjo for practice using an extra e string with a small metal cylinder under the 5th fret.
My budget is around $400 and from information gathered on the internet I have pretty much decided on the Goldtone MC150. I like both bluegrass and clawhammer styles so I like that the resonator is easily detachable. I also like the clear maple finish. I was wondering about a few things though..
These are superb banjos with tremendous tonal quality...
1.How much would it cost to substitute the alloy tone ring for the bell brass tone ring from Goldtone and would this greatly affect the sound?
The cost would be substantial enough to not be cost effective...it would be 150.00+ since it would be a customization...I'd recommend saving up the difference for a BG-250 which offers the versatility of open-back or resonator...
2.What metals are the alloy tone ring made of?
I suspect it's a combination of metals (alloy)...they still sound great! If you do purchase the MC150 through us, you always have the option of trading up without any loss of initial investment...if you ever feel that you outgrow this banjo...
3.The information on this banjo says the resonator is maple with binding. What does the "with binding" part mean and does this affect the sound?
The binding is a small plastic layer that is located just on the outside edge of the resonator which serves to protect the wood from getting chipped and adds to its appearance.
4.Would you recommend this as a good banjo in my price range?
It's the best value for the price since it does offer a tone ring. There's no other banjo we carry at this price that offers a tone ring that's made in the US.
I will really appreciate your advice as you and your store come highly recommmended. As much as I would like to play one of these banjos first, I can't. None of the music stores in my area have intermediate level banjos on display. Their selction goes from cheap imports straight to high end Gibsons and Deerings. They can order this banjo for me, but at a much higher price than your store.
Thanks in advance for your help,
Glad to be of help...Mickey
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:29:57 -0600
Hello how are you doing? I am just starting on the banjo could you tell me
more about the gold tone OB-250? I am going to start taking lessons in Oct.
Would this banjo be
a good one to start with? What would be your price for it with a hard shell
case and
what would I need to do to put it on layway? I really like your web site it
is the best I have seen on the net and I have looked at a bunch Banjo
shoping.Thanks for your help.
Sincerlery
Dennis W. Abbott
Clyde N.C.
Hello Dennis,
I'm doing fine! Not only would the OB-250 be great to start on, but it would also be a banjo you could play professionally without compromise. It's such a fine banjo, that you'll even be inspired to practice more often...the tools of the trade can truly determine and facilitate the learning process.
The OB-250 is the best value in the industry hands down...all pro features without reflecting on the price...your discount price is 700.00...A nice hardshell case to go with it would be an additional 69.95.
It offers a rolled brass tone ring, reverse banjo keys (planetary), and a solid maple resonator...To get a banjo with these features would normally cost a minimum of 1500.00 at that's at a discounted price! The OB-250 is nothing short of a professional banjo at a tremendous price.
I've played banjo for 25 years + and found the OB-250 to be comparable in tonal quality to banjos that are valued at twice the price...
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